Friday, January 28, 2011

Joe Biden says Mubarak is not a dictator - because he sustains peace with Israel

The Obama administration is unsurprising supporting Hosni Mubarak. The US position is that decisions such as relations with Israel must be kept outside of democratic control until the US believes Egypt's population would make decisions on these issues that it would approve.

The United States very openly now, opposes democratic control of foreign policy, or policy that is important to Israel, in its colonies of Egypt, as well as Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and UAE. To supposedly support democracy as long as it does not extend to subjects chosen by an outside power is to oppose democracy.

Let us be clear today. The United States opposes democracy in the Middle East.

But here is a fuller quotation from Biden on Mubarak:
JIM LEHRER: The word -- the word to describe the leadership of Mubarak and Egypt and also in Tunisia before was dictator. Should Mubarak be seen as a dictator?

JOE BIDEN: Look, Mubarak has been an ally of ours in a number of things and he's been very responsible on, relative to geopolitical interests in the region: Middle East peace efforts, the actions Egypt has taken relative to normalizing the relationship with Israel.

And I think that it would be -- I would not refer to him as a dictator.


lidia said...

I am SO exited with the development in Egypt! Go Egypt, help us to end Zionism for good! We all will benefit from it!

Anonymous said...

Do you know what 'colonies' means, dumbass? And a democratic egypt isn't necessarily against the interest of Israel. It's against the interest of Israel as the morons running it would perceive them.

Arnold Evans said...

I don't think there is a practical difference between Hosni Mubarak's relationship with the United States and King Farouk's relationship before 1952 with Great Britain.

I consider both relationships colonial. Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and other countries in the region are in colonial relationships with the United States that are maintained for the protection of Israel.

Fortunately, almost miraculously, it is possible that the people of Egypt may break this colonial relationship. That is a prospect that greatly encourages me.

lidia said...

To anon.
1) israel is a settler colonial body, not unlike Rhodesia.
2) there is NO chance for such body NOT to be hated by natives - within and without the body.
3) as a matter of fact "right" Zionists are less self-deluding than so called "left" ones. The later still imagine that their settler colony could be somehow included in the ME, while the former are sure that they could stay here only by force and threats. And they are right in this, their only mistake is believing that their power is enough to stay. It is not.

I have met a lot of "left" Zionists and they strike me as being haplessly oblivious to reality. I would pity them, but for the ply of their victims - Palestinians and others.

Anonymous said...

I suppose all those gulf countries supporting anti-US terror groups ("islamic charities") and not doing nearly enough of what the US requests of them for fear of being perceived as too pro-US is part of this 'colonies' deal - do stuff to hurt and kill your american overloards while they sit and watch. Same perhaps for suffocating the economic recovery while their gorging themselves on high oil prices. right, it's all in the US interest.

Or perhaps the US doesn't care about oil or terrorism and it's all about israel, then you might seem so crazy, for about a second. What is the US doing with those gulf countries that DON'T recognize israel? That send money to hamas and hezbollah? prevent them from going all out? The US could pull out right now and it'd be exactly the same, they wouldn't dare declare war on israel and they'd get their ass kicked anyway.

Fucking hell you're obsessed with israel. Hopefully the egyption situation and whatever follows only forces it to make peace and live happily ever after with everybody and people like you hopelessly dream of its genocide - uh, sorry, - 'removal' for the rest of your ignorant life.

p.s. I'm posting this from a gulf country. Do you happen to speak arabic or actually know anything about the region, arnold? lol.

Anonymous said...

lidia, isarel has been in the middle east for thousands of years. read some history please.

Arnold Evans said...


I find this interesting. You don't seem to be making an argument, just posting a bunch of unrelated sentences that you think I'll disagree with them.

I do disagree with a lot of the sentences you wrote, but what conclusion are you trying to draw?

lidia said...

Anon, Israel is a very modern colonial enterprise - the last of its kind, to be precise. All myth about "ancient Israel" have NOTHING to do with the real Israel, a settler colony on Arabs' land.

Younus said...

For US and other western allies, the leaders who compromises there policies and supports US's action are not defined as dictators, but the leaders like mullah omar, saddam hussein, fidel castro, kim jong il, Ahmadinejad are dictators because they oppose the domination of USA....... whatever may be the reasons no one should interfere in other countries sovereignity............ when talking about israel if any one say's it is a democratic country then that is a joke, since every one know's how israel was formed and how palestinians were forced to leave there homes............. poor palestinians dont worry.... god is the foremost authority in the world... he will make israel suffer for what they have done...... when God's wrath will fall on them, then no one can stop that..

younus said...

If USA say's that Iran is a threat, so they should not possess Nuclear weapon, then how abt Israel, see the map of palestine from 1960's to 2012 they have captured the land like anything and they haven't stopped yet, we can see that the new settlements are planned, so can we consider Israel as a threat and destroy there nuclear reactors and the possible things which are used for a nuke preparation ? Will USA allow this to happen ? What is the guarantee that Israel wont expand there land invasion ?.... the best thing is that the world has to be united and ask all the nuclear countries to disarm there nuclear arsenals, then we can ask the countries who are trying to build a nuclear weapon to stop there progress..... Will USA answer a simple question ? i,e Who were this Taliban, Haqqanis..... These militants were raised by USA against Soviet union and now they are saying that they are militants.... What is the use of invading Iraq, Afghanistan.... for two persons... saddam and Osama.... the simple answer is they have lost control in middle east, that is why they are hesitating to fight Iran....