tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post4650740701793203346..comments2024-01-21T02:42:13.447-05:00Comments on Middle East Reality: Questions for Westerners (especially in the US) about democracy in the Middle East (especially Egypt)Arnold Evanshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11445744338502151561noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-43488791771565016132012-07-09T03:13:59.055-04:002012-07-09T03:13:59.055-04:00I meant your posts about West-India. But Arabs in ...I meant your posts about West-India. But Arabs in SA are not free from colonialism else. Arnold mentioned it many times. Without being ruled by puppets of USA, Arabs could use oil money more wisely. Of course, the very possibility of Arabs managing their oil by themselves was the reason USA has puppet rulers in SA.<br /> Lidianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-8162694552527824292012-07-09T03:08:35.655-04:002012-07-09T03:08:35.655-04:00it is nice of you to care so much about Arabs. I w...it is nice of you to care so much about Arabs. I wonder, do you do the same about all other peoples? :)Lidianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-10215768219278602642012-07-08T12:33:41.609-04:002012-07-08T12:33:41.609-04:00I'm thinking "what happens to the Gulf Ar...I'm thinking "what happens to the Gulf Arabs when the oil runs out"? You're the only person who mentioned "colonizers"...George Cartyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Carty/669388594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-79279010136920285712012-07-08T12:26:37.759-04:002012-07-08T12:26:37.759-04:00Yes, but today's populations in the Arabian Pe...Yes, but today's populations in the Arabian Peninsula are probably several times larger than they were in the pre-oil era. <br /><br />For the post-oil era, they either they need some other product which they can trade for food (I don't see any possibilities though) or they need some way of growing enough food domestically to feed their population. Let's hope they get themselves some nuclear desalination plants in time, while they still have oil money to pay for them!George Cartyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Carty/669388594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-71923128357750934002012-07-08T00:19:47.509-04:002012-07-08T00:19:47.509-04:00Arabs somehow managed to live there before oil, so...Arabs somehow managed to live there before oil, so, if you do not think they are somehow less human and less clever than non-Arabs, I do not see reason to you worry about their future post-oil. <br />The problem is not oil or its end, but capitalism and imperialism, and it is not only in Arabian Peninsula. Lidianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-27966909870202913972012-07-08T00:13:10.363-04:002012-07-08T00:13:10.363-04:00Before LOLing on facts provided by me, remember, p...Before LOLing on facts provided by me, remember, please, that there are still peoples living exactly in such conditions - in the places like cited by my source (i.e on the banks of giant rivers - in jungle). I would recommend you do not trust your imagination or lack thereof in serious matters. <br /><br />Anyway, it is not critical. I just have answered to refute your mistaken "argument" your had made to support your assumption that without colonisators natives are going to starve. Lidianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-12765762585219474882012-07-07T11:01:18.814-04:002012-07-07T11:01:18.814-04:00including those who preferred return to pre-agric...<i>including those who preferred return to pre-agriculture ways. </i><br /><br />LOL! What lands were thinly populated enough that a return to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle would be feasible???<br /><br />It's also why I'm sceptical that the conclusions of your "Edinburgh Review" paper translation would have any relevance in today's world, where population is four times greater than in the mid 19th century (and where most of the increase is in the formerly-colonial world -- White people were an anomalously large proportion of the world's population in the 19th century...)George Cartyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Carty/669388594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-75781580242934070492012-07-07T10:56:05.027-04:002012-07-07T10:56:05.027-04:00I picked my own home region because I'm famili...I picked my own home region because I'm familiar with it, and I'm not sure that the fact that the UK coal industry was destroyed by Thatcher for political reasons (rather than ending due to the coal reserves being exhausted) is really so relevant.<br /><br />What economic future do you see for a post-oil Arabian Peninsula?George Cartyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Carty/669388594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-3929024884756489362012-07-02T23:33:43.618-04:002012-07-02T23:33:43.618-04:00GC, all colonialists's alliances are such. No...GC, all colonialists's alliances are such. Not only Hitler double-crossed, UK and USA did the same. Anyway, Zionists were stupid too, but it is not the question. Hitler and Zionists helped each other, and Zionists do not like to be reminded of it. Lidianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-64137555649427455332012-07-02T10:26:04.811-04:002012-07-02T10:26:04.811-04:00Dermot, could you explain to Lidia how the Soviet ...Dermot, could you explain to Lidia how the Soviet Union was imperialist, since she denies that Soviet imperialism existed at all?George Cartyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Carty/669388594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-16036878834649759892012-07-02T10:23:56.724-04:002012-07-02T10:23:56.724-04:00Yes, but it was an alliance of convenience, and ul...Yes, but it was an alliance of convenience, and ultimately the Nazis would have tried to slaughter the Jews in Palestine.<br /><br />Hitler double-crossed every single country he signed a treaty with, except for Japan (and even that was because he never got the chance).George Cartyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Carty/669388594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-68839266625503176652012-07-02T02:09:36.762-04:002012-07-02T02:09:36.762-04:00GC, there was NOT "Soviet imperialism", ...GC, there was NOT "Soviet imperialism", ergo, I could not have or not have problems with something non-existent.<br /><br />I have pointed before that SU was getting NO imperialist profits from its international relations with former colonies. USA, UK and other imperialists states had and still have much higher standard of living because of imperialist colonial and neocolonial robbery. Are you aware how much USA/UK "aid" cost not only Egypt but every other African state? <br /><br />USSR got political support, it is true. But it is not imperialism, if it not includes basic condition of imperialism. You could read some good book on imperialism, even not the classic one by Lenin. <br /><br />. J. A. Hobson could do.<br /><br /><br /><br />I was brought up in a way which was opposite to imperialism and thus I could see imperialist lies while you see them as a common sense, till something or somebody prove it is not.Lidianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-90305691821288216792012-07-02T01:52:23.239-04:002012-07-02T01:52:23.239-04:00Yes, as I have pointed, Nazis were able to get som...Yes, as I have pointed, Nazis were able to get something from their support for Zionist colonization and vice versa. The details could be interesting, but not so important.Lidianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-44254918237081367852012-07-01T10:14:56.349-04:002012-07-01T10:14:56.349-04:00Lidia has no problems with imperialism as long as ...Lidia has no problems with imperialism as long as it is Soviet imperialism ;)George Cartyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Carty/669388594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-17428029852610403502012-07-01T09:54:55.277-04:002012-07-01T09:54:55.277-04:00The Haavara Transfer was designed to solve the mai...The Haavara Transfer was designed to solve the main difficulty that the Nazis had in getting to get Jews out of Germany -- the Jews naturally wanted to take their money with them, but the Nazis couldn't allow them to because if they had it would have bankrupted Germany (which was desperately short of foreign currency for the entire period of Nazi rule).<br /><br />The plan had German Jews pay into a fund in Berlin, for which they received certificates with a face value of 1000 Palestinian pounds (the amount required by Jewish immigrants to get a visa to immigrate into Palestine). The Zionists then used the Berlin fund to buy German goods, and received Palestinian pounds when they then sold those goods on to Jewish or Arab customers. This system solved the Nazis' financial problem by ensuring that the money taken out of the country by German Jews would be used to buy German products.George Cartyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Carty/669388594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-90969657004392979922012-02-06T01:40:38.076-05:002012-02-06T01:40:38.076-05:00Funny how DM is calling "censorship" a p...Funny how DM is calling "censorship" a polite request to answer the questions for which the post was created. Given Arnold not clearing his blog from n7 declaring colonialism being preferred by colonized, it is a very strange "censorship", esp because n7 has a nice habit to copy-paste the whole sheets of Zionist racist propaganda, sometimes even multiple times. Lidianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-24706915865089479692012-02-06T01:40:37.110-05:002012-02-06T01:40:37.110-05:00n7 is being a bit odd, "You either have to su...n7 is being a bit odd, "You either have to supports Israels existence or you have to support the genocide of the jews there and else where in the world that would not have any place to go"<br />1) Israel is a colonial state. I understand that colonialism is OK to n7, but SOME natives still could find it somehow objectable<br />2) Hitler had NOTHING against Zionist colony on Palestinian lands, and even helped a lot.<br />3) Jews are quite well outside of Israel and a lot of them has NO wish to became colonizers of Palestine. As a matter of fact, because of non-stop aggressions colonizer Jews are in greater risk.<br />In short, one could be against colonization and still do NOT want to kill not only colonizers (if they are clever enough to stop being colonizers), but even all their co-religionists in the world.<br /><br />I suppose n7 could not see that he literally calls to genocide of Jews (providing Zionism is not viable). But I am not surprised - before he also called Zionist Jews in Palestine to commit suicide in case they could not be colonizers anymore. I doubt very much that the majority of Jews and even of Zionist Jews would be happy with such "defender" as n7. I, for ex, wish Zionists to come to their sense, stop being colonizers and start to make honest living.Lidianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-29084193549038075862012-02-06T01:40:35.437-05:002012-02-06T01:40:35.437-05:00"If you answer anything but no, we are done.&..."If you answer anything but no, we are done."<br /><br />So you ask me a question and if you dont get an answer that is acceptable to you, you will mosey on. Do you have any idea how childish this postion is.<br /><br />The answer is that it depends on the certain officials, some are very concerned with irans nuclear programme, while others who may have little interest in the two state solution would be concerned with saudi arabias efforts to heal the palestinian rift between hamas and fatah, which if healed would strenghten the palestinian position which would no longer be devided.<br /><br />Other officials recognise that irans postion is to achive nuclear latency like japan and is therefore unlikely to ever launch an attack against israel therefore iran is not the major threat that it is sometimes made out to be. Otheres then would consider both to be a hinderence, again it all depends on the certain officials.<br /><br />"why do you believe Saudi Arabia pursues less threatening policies than Iran?"<br /><br />If saudi arabia did do such a thing it is because those in charge felt it was in their interests to do so while if iran pursued more hostile policies this would again be due to those in charge feeling that it was in their interests.Dermot Moloneyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/Dermot-Moloney/100001531671384noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-23344328299530685852012-02-06T01:40:23.102-05:002012-02-06T01:40:23.102-05:00I fully support Zionism after what happen to the J...I fully support Zionism after what happen to the Jews in World War II and the Arabs sideing with Hilter. I fully support Israels existance. I fully support Israel haveing nuclear weapons because its the only way they can exist where they are they so out numbered and hated. They cant match the surrounding countries tank for tank and plane for plane. Nor can Israel ever afford to lose a war. The rest of the middle east can afford to lose war and they have time after time after time. I dont have a problem with Iran have nuclear power, just nuclear weapons or the means to make one. It can be arranged for them to have nuclear power with other countries refineing the materials needed to run a nuclear power plant. Considering the threats they have made to destroy Isreal and kill the people there I hope Israel takes out their nuclear facilities even if the use nuclear weapons to do it. Noname7365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-46375782484349818572012-02-06T01:40:22.038-05:002012-02-06T01:40:22.038-05:00To count all false claims of n7 in this post would...To count all false claims of n7 in this post would take too long, and anyway, I have refuted most of them several times here :) Not that I did it in hope to get n7 to see reality, just to put his words in some context. Lidianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-18709030734713088322012-02-06T01:40:21.047-05:002012-02-06T01:40:21.047-05:00What? Wow. That's a weird fantasy you have th...<i>What? Wow. That's a weird fantasy you have there. I'm not sure how to <br />respond but I find it worrying that you've developed this whole scenario<br /> in your mind.</i><br /><br />I live in North-East England, which still hasn't fully recovered from the collapse of its coal-mining industry, so I do have experience of what can happen to a resource-extraction-based economy when the resources run out.<br /><br />And Saudi Arabia (not being part of a larger political entity with other types of economic activity, and even more dominated by oil than my region used to be by coal) would be far, far worse...George Cartyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Carty/669388594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-76964903725682196052012-02-06T01:40:20.064-05:002012-02-06T01:40:20.064-05:00Hitler helped the Zionists?????
Cite? (I can und...Hitler helped the Zionists?????<br /><br />Cite? (I can understand some Euro antisemites supporting Zionism in order to get the Jews out of Europe, but not one as whacked-out as Hitler...)George Cartyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Carty/669388594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-57507966681014190742012-02-06T01:40:19.091-05:002012-02-06T01:40:19.091-05:00Condensing down to one sentence: "I fully sup...Condensing down to one sentence: "I fully support Zionism, because all Arabs are Nazi Jew-killers."<br /><br />I wonder if he (noname7365) has any workable plan to denazify the Arabs? After all, this kind of extreme Arab antisemitism is very much a post-Ottoman phenomenon, driven by Nazism, Zionism or both...George Cartyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Carty/669388594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-48065932488945778222012-02-06T01:40:18.086-05:002012-02-06T01:40:18.086-05:00As I mentioned before, Israel has nuclear missiles...As I mentioned before, Israel has nuclear missiles, while Apartheid South Africa only had free fall bombs.George Cartyhttp://www.facebook.com/people/George-Carty/669388594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-34135100.post-14619983842457503542012-02-06T01:40:17.063-05:002012-02-06T01:40:17.063-05:00There is NOT anything like "this kind of ext...There is NOT anything like "this kind of extreme Arab antisemitism". SOME Arabs could be anti-Semitic, why not? They are humans. But I am sure anti-Semitism is much more rampant between Christian Zionists in USA.The most openly anti-Semits in Arab world are Saudi royals and their clerical lackeys. <br /><br />of course, BEFORE Zionism in the ME there was NOTHING even near as sinister as anti-Semitism of "civilized" Europe. Lidianoreply@blogger.com